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Episode 11

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22nd Apr 2024

4/20 and Germany Legalizes Cannabis

We discuss the cannabis culture on 4/20, showcasing different hemp products, and talk about how Germany's legalization of cannabis could ihave an mpact on other European countries.

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Episode 11 (35 minutes) was live recorded on April 20, 2024, by podcaster, Martin Lindeskog, with Boomcaster. Editing, post-production, and transcript with the podcast maker, Alitu.

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Transcript
Martin:

Hi, and welcome to hi five for hemp.

Martin:

Hello, Adam, my co host.

Adam:

Hello, Martin.

Adam:

How are you?

Martin:

Fine. Long time noosey.

Adam:

Yeah, absolutely.

Martin:

Absolutely.

Adam:

It's been a while.

Martin:

Yeah. So I thought we will do a short and sweet here.

Martin:

It's a live stream and then it will turn into podcast episode number eleven and about.

Adam:

Yeah, there's nothing short and sweet about anything I do.

Adam:

I apologize.

Martin:

No problem.

Adam:

So.

Martin:

But you have for this date, I want you to guide us into this tradition.

Martin:

You could say I thought about it one year ago and had a solo episode and tried to find some

Martin:

data and information about the expression 420.

Adam:

Oh, you don't you know the history.

Martin:

Of 420 a little bit, so if you could.

Martin:

Yeah.

Martin:

So that's why I thought we will do a live stream and then publish it and have a bit of

Martin:

discussion about this significant day.

Adam:

Oh, where 420 comes about.

Adam:

Well, it's a bit of an open ended answer in

Adam:

the sense that there are a few claims as to officially where 420 comes about.

Adam:

When I was younger, 420 was the number that was all of the stock photography back in the

Adam:

seventies and eighties.

Adam:

It was not digital.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

It was manual.

Adam:

So you would go and actually get film or slides when you would create a catalog.

Adam:

Remember catalogs? Paper catalogs with all the pictures.

Adam:

And back in the seventies, the digital alarm clock was like the newest technology or radio

Adam:

alarm clock.

Adam:

Did you ever have one of those?

Martin:

Yep.

Adam:

Well, all of the stock for all of the companies, no matter what, they would always

Adam:

be at 420.

Adam:

And it was kind of like anytime you'd open a

Adam:

catalog, you'd see a clock would be at 420.

Martin:

Is it because it's like a nice number or what it's, yeah, it was.

Adam:

Just a nice, friendly, even number, I guess.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

So I'm not really sure what, what the, the

Adam:

whole reasoning behind that is, but that's what I believe is where it came from.

Adam:

But I found out that was actually argued that might not be the case.

Adam:

There is also on the west coast.

Adam:

So that, you know, I grew up in New York, I

Adam:

live now in California, on the west coast.

Adam:

I believe either was in Oregon or it was

Adam:

outside of Washington, in Olympia.

Adam:

It was an Olympia outside of Seattle.

Adam:

It was like a college town right outside of Seattle.

Adam:

There was a group of basically stoners and hippies in a high school that was very popular

Adam:

there.

Adam:

And they would, I forget the name of their

Adam:

group, but they would meet at 420 every day to kind of light up and enjoy themselves.

Adam:

And like 420 also is the police code for a cannabis arrest.

Adam:

A 420 so there's a few different claims as to why 420 is 420, but it's been that way now.

Adam:

It's been adopted for at least 20 years, maybe even longer, like 420 friendly or 420.

Adam:

And now that.

Adam:

Excuse me, I'm out of breath here because I

Adam:

just finished my run.

Adam:

Yeah, I ran 420 today, 4 miles, 4.20 miles,

Adam:

about 7 km in the.

Adam:

Yeah, seven, roughly 7.

Adam:

Your lucky number.

Adam:

Seven.

Adam:

So I'm recovering from that, but, yeah, so that's kind of where it comes from.

Adam:

Now, here in California, every state is different.

Adam:

You know, the regulation and legalization of either for medical or recreational purposes of

Adam:

cannabis products, and whether it be hemp or it be, you know, cannabis sativa or an indica,

Adam:

one of those, it's up to the state, it's a state law, so it's, you know, state by state,

Adam:

it's very different.

Adam:

So just like countries are turning over in

Adam:

other places, whether it be Europe, whether it be in Indonesia, whether it be in Central

Adam:

America.

Adam:

Right now, here in the United States, it's

Adam:

state by state.

Adam:

And California has had been in a lead position

Adam:

for a long time, along with states like Colorado, there are some other, I think,

Adam:

Alaska as well, maybe Hawaii, more in the french states that had, and Vermont perhaps,

Adam:

that had made it available for medical purposes for quite some time.

Adam:

And it wasn't until about, I think, ten years ago that rec.

Adam:

Maybe a little less, maybe it's eight.

Adam:

You know, I don't have the numbers exactly.

Adam:

I didn't prepare for this show, and everything turned over now to rec.

Adam:

And so it's for recreational purposes, meaning you don't need to have doctor's permission.

Adam:

And products look more like regular products.

Adam:

And in fact, it's a very high end product.

Adam:

You know, it's like going into a wine shop, a wine bottle shop, not into the corner liquor

Adam:

store, to get some cheap high or something like that.

Adam:

These products are very expensive, very exclusive, and the experience of going into

Adam:

these stores is like going into an Apple store or into a Gucci store.

Adam:

They're very high end and they're very regulated.

Adam:

You can see taxing as much as 50% when it's all added on.

Adam:

Between the sales tax and the cannabis tax and the state tax and the federal tax, they can

Adam:

advertise a price of $100, but you might be paying $150 just with $50 in ad on taxes.

Adam:

So they have to do other things to get people in, because it's very, very expensive.

Adam:

And over time, I think we'll see the prices go down a little.

Adam:

Bit, but as we're seeing in the hemp economy.

Adam:

But for now, it's a day where if you go to a

Adam:

dispensary or to someplace that provides these products, there'll be a band, there'll be a

Adam:

taco stand, there'll be specials, there'll be stickers and coasters and keychains.

Adam:

And, you know, it's just basically a celebration of everything that is to do with

Adam:

the cannabis culture.

Adam:

And you can get all kinds of wonderful

Adam:

products.

Adam:

So how is 420 celebrated in your land?

Martin:

I don't know, because as you know, I don't.

Martin:

And I don't use Mariana in that way, but the plant, as we talk, the family like CBD oil and

Martin:

the industrial hemp that I enjoy.

Martin:

But I'm curious now because Sweden is in

Martin:

European Union and recently that's why I want to also talk about that recently Germany had

Martin:

this law putting in place that it's okay to do it for recreational purposes, as you said.

Martin:

When I read this article, that was some months ago, I think in BBC it said that it's now

Martin:

easier in one way, but it could be harder to get it.

Martin:

And it will not pop up.

Martin:

All these cafes that you have in like

Martin:

Amsterdam and so on very quickly.

Martin:

It will take some time, but still, I read the

Martin:

article through there.

Martin:

It says also that for you could have it to

Martin:

grow plants.

Martin:

I think it was free plants you could grow

Martin:

also.

Martin:

So you could really do it for your own use, so

Martin:

to speak.

Martin:

So it's interesting because Germany is a big,

Martin:

together with France, where are the leading pact in European Union in a way.

Martin:

And right now I think it's Malta.

Martin:

And is it Liechtenstein or Luxembourg?

Martin:

It's another country, third country that also have deregulated this.

Martin:

So in Europe, deregulated.

Adam:

What about the Netherlands?

Martin:

Yeah, they have had it for a long time, but they have this special, I think, as

Martin:

I said, in the coffeehouses.

Martin:

So they have maybe some special.

Martin:

But you know that there have been labor for a long, long time.

Martin:

But in Sweden it's not open in that way.

Martin:

And here, that's why I in a way started the

Martin:

show and then you joined and happy to see that perspective because here we have this and that

Martin:

could be for another show and episode about this THC thing.

Martin:

What about the THC thing that in Sweden had become complicated because they.

Martin:

It's classified as.

Martin:

How do you say that you could get high of it

Martin:

even if it's like this small amount and they want to classify it as medical or drug

Martin:

control.

Adam:

Substance is what you're saying like a drug.

Martin:

Yeah.

Adam:

So, which probably is true, such as with caffeine or wine or with ibuprofen.

Adam:

Chemicals are around us.

Adam:

And THC is a psychoactive component of all of

Adam:

the wide spectrum of components that cannabis provides.

Adam:

I think the one that's really getting a lot of attention right now is CBD, cannabid oil.

Adam:

And that is a good thing for some people.

Adam:

It has great effect.

Adam:

I mean, you have hemp derived CBD available in Sweden, is that correct?

Adam:

Yeah, and for us.

Adam:

So for example, when CBD first came out and

Adam:

was available here, just generally you could buy some creams or lotions.

Adam:

Like, here's one.

Adam:

This is a rapid recovery cooling cream with

Adam:

CBD in it.

Adam:

So this has menthol and it's kind of like a

Adam:

shaving cream, but you can rub it on like a pulled muscle and it's really chilly.

Adam:

But it has the CBD in there because there's a, there's a belief and it also, this is Thc

Adam:

free, so that's what it says.

Martin:

Yeah.

Adam:

This one is a roll on that I have CBD plus.

Adam:

So you can like roll it onto your skin almost like a deodorant.

Martin:

Yeah.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

But it's not a deodorizer.

Adam:

It's just a way extra strength formula, full hemp extract.

Adam:

And these are all extracted from hemp.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

So you can just apply it to a wound or.

Adam:

But it has a, you'll see here, it's a

Adam:

rollerball.

Martin:

And now is for relaxation business.

Martin:

Later on, Adam is showing a Dio roll here.

Adam:

Oh, if you're listening.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

Yeah.

Adam:

So you got to watch the video.

Adam:

Right.

Martin:

And I show.

Martin:

That was the previous.

Martin:

Yeah, continue.

Adam:

Oh, yeah.

Adam:

But these products, when they, in their day,

Adam:

when they came out, there'd be like 2030, even up to $50 for a bottle.

Adam:

Just like very expensive face cream can go into the hundreds of dollars.

Adam:

But over time, right, as these products flooded the market and there wasn't a great

Adam:

demand for people to pay, the prices came down.

Adam:

So you can, so you can notice here, like in a product like this, you know, it's, the detail

Adam:

is really nice.

Adam:

It's got the rollerball, it's a very

Adam:

sophisticated model.

Adam:

And then over time, then came, price came down

Adam:

to more like $8.

Adam:

And what I'm holding up is just hemp balm,

Adam:

which has cbd in it. 125 milligrams of cbD.

Adam:

So it's just like moisturizer cream, but it

Adam:

looks basically like in a toothpaste tube.

Adam:

And by reducing the marketing.

Adam:

And you see here it's one color, right? There's not really fancy advertising or it's

Adam:

just plain, almost generic in a sense, but it's the same, it's the same effect, right?

Adam:

It's a good cream.

Adam:

If you have itchy skin or reactive skin, you

Adam:

put this on and the CBD will help neutralize and minimize some of the nervous reaction or

Adam:

that's what there is a belief for.

Adam:

But the price came down.

Adam:

And then right now we're having this genocide going on in the United States on dollar stores

Adam:

because of inflation.

Adam:

So everywhere across the United States and

Adam:

even in other places in the world, they have these discount chains where they sell very low

Adam:

cost, mostly chinese or plastic, some indian and indonesian products, but very low end

Adam:

products, very small amounts.

Adam:

And they call these dollar stores because

Adam:

everything cost a dollar.

Adam:

Nothing costs a dollar anymore.

Adam:

And in fact, our 99 cent store, which was one penny lower than the dollar, just went out of

Adam:

business because they couldn't compete with a name like 99 Cent store.

Adam:

They had to raise the price to $5.

Adam:

And now I know in dollar general, the ceiling

Adam:

price is now like $7 on some products, right? So the 99 cent store is going out of business

Adam:

because it can't compete because of inflation.

Adam:

Just the model doesn't work.

Adam:

No, it's the $2 store or whatever.

Adam:

But just to get back to it.

Adam:

So my wife went in because our local $0.99 store is closing and they're liquidating their

Adam:

inventory.

Adam:

It's a lot of like, wow, you can buy something

Adam:

for $0.75 instead cents.

Adam:

But once it's gone, it's gone.

Adam:

She walks in and finds this level three CBD cooling sports cream.

Adam:

It's like mentholated and minty.

Adam:

So you put it on a sore knee or an ankle if

Adam:

you're a runner or an arm if you're lifting, it's like, you know, I'm sure you have these

Adam:

icy hot creams.

Adam:

Yeah, balm.

Adam:

That's what this is, $0.99.

Adam:

Wow.

Adam:

And on sale it was like 70, like $0.75.

Adam:

It just goes to show you, we can go from one

Adam:

product with, this is an older product from like ten years ago with the rollerball, $30,

Adam:

same product, $0.99.

Adam:

Right?

Adam:

So it's a weird economy right now.

Adam:

And because it's been deregulated, right,

Adam:

there's less of a demand because it's available everywhere.

Adam:

And so they had to lower the price.

Adam:

And I think we're going to see the same thing

Adam:

with products that contain THC as well, because you may not know this, but because

Adam:

you're in Sweden, you don't have exposure to this.

Adam:

But they started finding ways to extract THC components out of hemp because hemp does have

Adam:

a small amount of THC, and hemp grows much easier because it's like a weed.

Adam:

It can grow anywhere.

Adam:

So they just grow more product and they can

Adam:

extract this new hemp component that's called Delta eight.

Adam:

So the traditional marijuana component is delta nine THC.

Adam:

They can extract its cousin or its sister, Delta eight THC, which is a lighter version of

Adam:

THC.

Adam:

It's a more euphoric, lightweight, high, less

Adam:

anxiety.

Adam:

People are really enjoying it.

Adam:

It's very much similar in the same, but it wears off more quicker.

Adam:

It doesn't phase you out.

Adam:

Now we have hemp derived THc.

Adam:

That's completely legal because it is not t delta nine.

Adam:

It's a different component.

Adam:

So we have products that are coming out like

Adam:

these gummies with a company called Dadgrass here.

Adam:

You like this? And this is.

Adam:

This is their marketing is like the weed your dad used to smoke that didn't knock you on

Adam:

your ass.

Adam:

Dadgrass, right.

Adam:

And these are gummies, and these are wonderful.

Adam:

And only two milligrams of delta at THC in here.

Adam:

So it just gives you just a little sparkle, but not like you can function.

Adam:

And they take off the edge.

Adam:

And the anxiety, as you've talked about the

Adam:

different components of CBD, there's also CBDN and CBG and all of these other components,

Adam:

they created Dadgrass as more of a cigarette.

Adam:

I don't really smoke as a runner, but I have

Adam:

these.

Adam:

They come in a pack just like this.

Adam:

I tried once before.

Adam:

Again, there's no psychoactive properties in

Adam:

here, just a little bit of THC, delta eight THC, which is very light.

Adam:

So you feel a little something.

Adam:

You know, it's.

Adam:

You feel more when you eat a hot pepper.

Adam:

And I know you like food.

Adam:

Like more of a psychoactive response.

Adam:

Right?

Adam:

Like, it's not really that much.

Adam:

You feel a little something.

Adam:

Or like cloves.

Adam:

Like when you get cloves, like you feel a

Adam:

little.

Adam:

Or strong tea.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

And then, of course, because there's dead

Adam:

grass, there's also a mom grass now, you see, and the yellow.

Adam:

So there's dadgrass and mom grass.

Adam:

And mom grass is a little bit different.

Adam:

Right? So it has CBG in it, which is known to help

Adam:

heal the body and soothe the soul.

Adam:

So to like.

Adam:

So a mom who's having more anxiety.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

Would use this.

Adam:

It's very smooth, much smoother.

Adam:

This is a little more like, the flavor of it is a little stronger, like if you smoke it,

Adam:

right.

Adam:

These are smoking products.

Adam:

I don't really smoke.

Adam:

These are pretty much, I bought these just,

Adam:

you know, to have as like, hey, try this out, right?

Adam:

It's cool, right? It's all kind of cool.

Adam:

But I would say if I was going to be taking CBD in a smoke form, I would do it this way,

Adam:

which is.

Adam:

I have this company called Dom makes these

Adam:

really high tech, wonderful pens.

Adam:

They're like vape pens, very small and it has

Adam:

a measured dose.

Adam:

So every, like, when you smoke it, you're not

Adam:

sure.

Adam:

And also the, the burnt, the burnt leaf and

Adam:

all of that carbon in your lungs.

Adam:

This is just a vape, very tiny.

Adam:

It's the size of a pen.

Adam:

And there are no psychoactive properties here.

Adam:

It's derived from hemp, right.

Adam:

It has 18 to 118 cBd to one THC.

Adam:

And it has a chamomile oil in it too.

Adam:

So it's calming, right.

Adam:

And it's just like a little vape pen and you just take a little hit off of this and you can

Adam:

get your cbD.

Adam:

But this is tested, compliant, regulated.

Adam:

This is why I like the idea of governments getting involved, because, you know, and it's

Adam:

measured.

Adam:

No surprises.

Adam:

There are a lot of weird components.

Adam:

When you get something that's homegrown.

Adam:

Well, it's.

Adam:

Yeah, it's fresher, but there's also fungus

Adam:

that can grow and other additives and chemicals to make it strong, who knows what

Adam:

you're getting? Whereas when it's regulated, yes, you're going

Adam:

to have to pay a tax and some excise, but you're more guaranteed a controlled experience

Adam:

and not having a surprise where you can't function.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

That you can't.

Adam:

Because for many people, these are very therapeutic means.

Adam:

I mean, for me, I don't have to take anti anxiety medications or anything else.

Adam:

You know, I just use these products every once in a while and I don't drink very much.

Adam:

You know, I'll have maybe a beer a week just to enjoy it and taste it, but I'm not grabbing

Adam:

for alcohol as a tool.

Adam:

Like, oh, I need a drink.

Adam:

And again, I am very lightweight.

Adam:

I'll have one.

Adam:

Gummy.

Adam:

Or maybe not.

Adam:

I probably am more addicted to caffeine and maybe other supplements like ashwagandha or

Adam:

magnesium.

Adam:

You know, like other things that I take for

Adam:

longevity.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

You know, for fitness rather than these things, capsaicin, which is, you know,

Adam:

basically hot.

Adam:

So what do you think about all this?

Adam:

What do you think about the products that you're using?

Adam:

I've talked way too much.

Martin:

Yeah, it's all good.

Martin:

Previous episode, I talked about this like a

Martin:

lip balm.

Adam:

Do you find that works better than normal lip balm?

Martin:

Yeah, it's, of course, in other ingredients also.

Martin:

But it is something with the hemp that is smoother, refreshing, and also good for.

Martin:

So you don't get dry lips or something that you have some blemish or something like that.

Martin:

It's getting away.

Martin:

It's getting rid of it.

Adam:

Interesting.

Martin:

Yeah, I really like it.

Martin:

So that's one product.

Martin:

And then, of course, I've tested snuff that you have.

Martin:

You could have.

Martin:

It's called, like, snooze in Swedish.

Martin:

And, like, does that have a little tobacco? Yeah, but it's.

Martin:

It's not this.

Martin:

It's no tobacco at all.

Martin:

It's only, like, hemp, industrial hemp.

Martin:

But you put it under your.

Martin:

Under your lip or.

Martin:

Or in your mouth.

Adam:

So I know some people who snort snuff through their.

Martin:

Yeah, that's this.

Martin:

Yeah, that's the old way of doing it.

Adam:

They did it back in the day.

Adam:

So painful.

Martin:

But it's more that you get this reaction and you get starting to sneeze and so

Martin:

on.

Martin:

But, yeah, so, but, so you put.

Adam:

A pinch between your lip and gum, and you just.

Adam:

Yeah, then you spit.

Adam:

Do you spit?

Martin:

No, this is in, you know, also in around the paper.

Martin:

So you get this nice.

Martin:

Yeah, it is some soothing and also some

Martin:

balancing.

Martin:

And that we will also talk for.

Martin:

We have talked about it in other episodes.

Martin:

But what is this Endo Carnambiri system is

Martin:

doing? And when you use this hemp oil or product,

Martin:

what that could do for your body.

Martin:

So it's interesting how you could take it in

Martin:

different ways.

Martin:

So I've had capsules also that I like.

Martin:

And also, then now I'm starting.

Martin:

So that's why I want to have on the show also

Martin:

that I've known for a long time that started the hemp company, but I have other products

Martin:

also, and I recently got some samples from them, so I wanted to test that and see how

Martin:

that's working.

Martin:

But, yeah, I've tested some different ones.

Martin:

And then here for a fun.

Martin:

And this now showing for the.

Martin:

So this, I don't know if you will see that.

Martin:

Yeah, it's like a soap.

Martin:

So I'm showing a soap, and it's the symbol with the plant.

Adam:

Right. Interesting. Yeah. So you said that in Germany.

Adam:

Now people can grow their own plants.

Adam:

Up to three plants.

Martin:

Yeah, yeah.

Adam:

I think here we can grow up to six.

Adam:

And I'm not sure if that's changed, if it's

Adam:

more.

Adam:

But I have grown plants before and I can tell

Adam:

you that.

Adam:

Be prepared if you grow them, because, man,

Adam:

they stink.

Adam:

They really stink.

Adam:

In fact, look at, this is, you see this here?

Martin:

Yes.

Adam:

If you're watching the video.

Adam:

See that there?

Adam:

Yeah, that is.

Adam:

I grew that.

Adam:

Yeah.

Martin:

Yeah, that's my flower.

Adam:

Or like a flower.

Adam:

Yeah, like a bud.

Adam:

So this is what you would crumble up.

Adam:

And now this is.

Adam:

Oh, man, it still.

Adam:

It still smells good.

Adam:

I keep it in an airtight jar.

Adam:

This was several years ago that it did this.

Adam:

And I can't.

Adam:

I wouldn't smoke these because they're so

Adam:

lovely.

Adam:

Right?

Adam:

These little teeny.

Adam:

They look like.

Adam:

I'm so proud of these.

Adam:

I've got, you know, and I did try it, but,

Adam:

like, again, I'm an athlete, so I don't like to have smoke in my lungs because I need to

Adam:

breathe.

Adam:

So for me, it's more like the gummies and the

Adam:

tinctures and like the little, you know, bottles and stuff like that.

Martin:

Yeah.

Adam:

This product here is from Pura Vida Botanicals.

Adam:

It's a cinnamon CBD oil.

Adam:

This is really good.

Adam:

This is from a company in Vermont, Rovita.

Martin:

Yeah.

Adam:

My good friend JT has this company.

Adam:

He also owns a coffee farm in Costa Rica and

Adam:

he is producing CBD coffee, which is amazing.

Adam:

And his coffee is organically grown.

Adam:

It's on his land.

Adam:

And he also produces this beautiful, this

Adam:

cinnamon, because the cinnamon also has an effect as well.

Adam:

This is really good stuff.

Adam:

And this is what I'll take also, just a little

Adam:

drop of this.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

So. And it's just CBD.

Adam:

It's all derived from hemp.

Adam:

There might be a trace amount of THC, but, you know, so small, it doesn't really have any

Adam:

psychoactive property.

Adam:

But that's all good.

Adam:

I don't know, though, you know, with CBD, it's hard to tell.

Adam:

It's hard to tell when you take it because it's not.

Adam:

It doesn't have a general effect right away.

Martin:

Yeah.

Adam:

It doesn't do anything.

Adam:

Or is it just a placebo?

Adam:

I don't know.

Adam:

Science is out.

Adam:

I know they say yes, and it activates the endocannabinol system, perhaps.

Adam:

I have no way of knowing when that's turning on or turning off because I've been using

Adam:

these products for, you know, 45 years.

Martin:

Yeah.

Adam:

Who knows?

Martin:

You get used to it.

Martin:

So that could be, as I said, that I have been

Martin:

in contact with an author that wrote a book originally in Swedish called CBD and Hampine

Martin:

Swedish or hemp in English.

Martin:

What's that?

Martin:

And she has translated that into English, and it's like an introduction to CBD and hemp.

Martin:

And I got met her at Health fair here in Gothenburg.

Martin:

So it'd be nice to get her on the show and talk about these things and what she has

Martin:

learned and what she has started and how she has compiled it.

Martin:

So. Yeah, and we could have a discussion there also with products and other things and that

Martin:

you show there.

Martin:

So I think that's interesting and we will

Martin:

follow the news.

Martin:

I know how good you are at finding interesting

Martin:

articles.

Martin:

Like, we have talked about, like hemp in

Martin:

fashion, hemp in building materials, and also we talked about the pricing and all the range

Martin:

of products and all this good stuff.

Martin:

So see what we could do in the near future

Martin:

here, Adam.

Adam:

So, yeah, now they have a new thing.

Adam:

It's called generative hemp.

Martin:

Okay. And what's that?

Adam:

It's. It's a joke.

Martin:

Yeah.

Adam:

Like generative.

Adam:

A generative hemp.

Martin:

Yeah.

Adam:

It's just the AI version of.

Adam:

Yeah.

Adam:

Artificial.

Adam:

It's artificial hemp.

Adam:

I don't know, I just trying to make it into a joke.

Adam:

Everything is Genii these days.

Martin:

And that what you said about, I mean, regulation, I'm for this, as I say, a free

Martin:

market.

Martin:

But I understand where you're coming from, and

Martin:

I wonder what could happen then now in Germany and how that will be in other countries around

Martin:

in Europe and how that will reflect free market economy.

Adam:

Is a nice idea.

Adam:

Yeah, it is, but it's an idea.

Adam:

The reality is that in places where cannabis products are available, including hemp

Adam:

products, without regulation, as in it's criminal decriminalization, the right way to

Adam:

put it.

Adam:

There's very high regulation.

Adam:

And the reason why they're decriminalizing it is one.

Adam:

They're not seeing it as a threat.

Adam:

There's much bigger threats.

Adam:

In fact, I would say that Internet addiction, social media addiction, is way more dangerous.

Adam:

In fact, something like being addicted to cannabis will just chill you out, so you won't

Adam:

grab for just the terrible effect of social media.

Adam:

And that dopamine is a far more dangerous drug than THC.

Adam:

It chills you out.

Adam:

So you're not so addicted to that next hit of

Adam:

enzyme in your brain to tickle your thalamus or tickle your.

Adam:

What's the little pineal gland?

Martin:

Yeah.

Adam:

That's driving all the dopamine cases.

Adam:

Yeah, the little hits.

Adam:

Yeah.

Adam:

So. But the reality is that they see this as a

Adam:

huge money play.

Adam:

There's so much money involved because it's

Adam:

something that is not available.

Adam:

So people want to try it, they want to get

Adam:

their hands on it and governments can wrap their arms around it, one for the safety of

Adam:

the citizens, which makes a lot of sense.

Adam:

But huge money.

Adam:

Yeah, huge money.

Adam:

Our town, it's one of the few towns in San

Adam:

Diego county that welcomed, and we have, I think, six or seven dispensaries in our little

Adam:

town in San Diego county.

Adam:

It's not the San Diego city proper, it's the

Adam:

outside region.

Adam:

And also in the city of San Diego, they've

Adam:

welcomed it.

Adam:

And we have a lot nicer roads than all of the

Adam:

surrounding towns because there's so much more money in the system.

Adam:

And understand that California is a highly regulated state.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

We pay a lot of taxes.

Adam:

Taxes.

Adam:

Everything is taxes.

Adam:

You know, so.

Adam:

And, but what you get for all those taxes are

Adam:

beautiful parks, beautiful roads, beautiful systems, really good hospitals, really good

Adam:

services.

Adam:

You might have to wait.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

But you live in Sweden, so you know about

Adam:

that.

Adam:

You pay very high taxes for everything, but

Adam:

you have really good services, you get healthcare.

Martin:

So and so, yeah, depending how you look at it.

Martin:

But it's interesting, you said about this criminal aspect of that and that I think that

Martin:

nobody dare to talk about in politics except one party called, like, how to say, an ally

Martin:

alliance.

Martin:

That's a non socialist alliance.

Martin:

And like, bourgous.

Martin:

Well, how do you say that in French?

Martin:

The middle class bourgeois.

Martin:

Yeah.

Martin:

So if you take that in Swedish, you get that name.

Martin:

Because here in Sweden, lots of criminal gangs are controlling regarding the Mariana and

Martin:

other things like that.

Martin:

So if it will be opened and you could get it

Martin:

like at the pharmacy, whatnot, then it could be positive things about this.

Martin:

But you have to talk about that in order, because here it's getting problematic to say

Martin:

it, at least.

Adam:

Well, that's why you need the regulation, because when the government takes

Adam:

control and turns it into a retail engine, it's a whole different equation.

Adam:

And really, to be honest, the real business that gangs should be in is banks.

Adam:

They should just take, because that's what they want is the money.

Adam:

They should just have a gang credit card and then they already are.

Adam:

In a way.

Adam:

I could tell you that from firsthand

Adam:

experience.

Adam:

If you know what my last name is, you look at

Adam:

my history and the history of the Tinkov name, so.

Adam:

But the real gang are the banks.

Adam:

And so.

Adam:

But that's a whole different conversation.

Martin:

Yes, it is.

Adam:

You have another podcast to talk about that.

Martin:

Yeah.

Adam:

And. Yeah, and I'm very neutral when it comes down to it, you know.

Adam:

But, you know, I just.

Adam:

I just know this stuff because I've been

Adam:

exposed to it over the many years, and I'm a big supporter of it.

Adam:

That's all.

Adam:

So. Yeah, so that's cool.

Adam:

So what.

Adam:

What else are.

Adam:

What are you looking at with this show and the development of the show?

Martin:

Yeah, it's great to see you, Adams.

Martin:

We'll see how we could fit our schedules and

Martin:

see on how regular it could be and what topic.

Martin:

But I liked what we have done so far and what

Martin:

it could be.

Martin:

And it was interesting that you showed all the

Martin:

products that you've used, and I have some one.

Martin:

This is in Swedish, but he could probably talk in English also, so we never gave up.

Martin:

And it's the so called war on drugs.

Martin:

And his name is Johan Viklian.

Martin:

And that had been.

Martin:

He'd been, of course, asked for to talk about

Martin:

when things happening now in Europe, like in Germany and so on, because here, as I said, in

Martin:

Sweden, have been very complicated situation to dare to talk about Mariana and about

Martin:

legalization and if we should be more.

Martin:

Yeah.

Martin:

Similar to other countries in Europe and so on.

Adam:

Here, there's a correlation between the funding and attention on the war on drugs and

Adam:

the rise in criminal activity.

Adam:

There is more violence and just detriment and

Adam:

evil things that happen.

Adam:

The more we fight, the more there is.

Adam:

So the less we make it an evil, the less problem there is.

Adam:

And it really does just kind of dissolve into society as something that's really not that

Adam:

impactful.

Adam:

As I said, social media is far more damaging

Adam:

for most people and their children.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

I would be more concerned with the amount of time you're spending in front of a screen

Adam:

looking into black rectangles.

Martin:

Shiny black rectals, or watching us live.

Adam:

Or dead if they have wi fi in the afterlife.

Adam:

In the Bardo, it could be.

Adam:

I would say, if you ask me, my advice would be

Adam:

to get outside and unplug a little while to balance with everything, everything else

Adam:

that's happening in various places of the world.

Adam:

We all share one big sky.

Adam:

It's, you know, a big ball that we're on.

Adam:

And even if we're in a flat earth, it's a big dome we're under.

Adam:

It's all one dome, whatever you want to call it.

Adam:

It's all connected in some way or another.

Adam:

And all of this stuff comes from the outside,

Adam:

from the ground from the soil.

Adam:

And I'm more concerned with protecting our

Adam:

soil than with protecting our regulation.

Martin:

Yeah.

Adam:

And that's without our soil, the world is nothing.

Martin:

Yeah. And that could be like an endnote.

Martin:

I learned that from when I listened to a webinar, that I learned from Hannah Hel, and

Martin:

that's her name, Hel in Swedish.

Martin:

So we thought about CBD and hemp.

Martin:

What's that? A book.

Martin:

And there they talked about the history in Sweden that back in the day, you had

Martin:

industrial hemp plants in the farming and in landscape, and it did lots of good things for

Martin:

the soil.

Adam:

Yes, exactly right.

Adam:

And so in the history of the US, when they

Adam:

built the big mega highways to connect both sides, and this was in the twenties and the

Adam:

thirties, maybe the forties, they started, you know, this is before World War Two.

Adam:

But then after, as we were trying to get out of the depression, the government put a lot of

Adam:

investment into the infrastructure.

Adam:

And to keep the ditches down on both sides of

Adam:

the road, they would just put industrial hemp down there and it would keep the roads, the

Adam:

ditches down.

Adam:

And what's amazing, they also, when doing

Adam:

that, they realized that hemp crops work really well to regenerate a field.

Adam:

So if you grow soy and corn and feed and over and over again, eventually you will just

Adam:

deplete the soil of nutrients.

Adam:

So if you throw in a cycle of hemp and you can

Adam:

use hemp, it's a super strong fiber, you can create really strong fabrics out of it and

Adam:

other materials.

Adam:

As we talked before, you just chop the crop

Adam:

and then you chill it into the soil.

Adam:

It regenerates the soil.

Adam:

So regenerative farming is this idea of leaving the cut, whatever you cut out of the

Adam:

land, rather than scooping it up, and it protects the soil.

Adam:

Without the soil, this civilization will die.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

The soil is probably the most important thing that we need to keep the food going.

Adam:

The food, we die.

Adam:

It's really important.

Adam:

And crops like hemp are key to keep our soil alive.

Adam:

We come from the earth and we depart, and we're sprinkled on the earth.

Adam:

Right.

Adam:

So we need to protect our soil.

Adam:

But that's a whole other conversation.

Martin:

Yes, it is.

Martin:

So thanks again, Adam, and nice to see you

Martin:

again.

Martin:

And thanks for doing this live streaming.

Martin:

And then it will end up as an episode, episode number eleven of hi fi for hemp.

Adam:

Eleven, yeah.

Adam:

So you're doing one episode a year?

Adam:

Eleven years like that.

Martin:

Yeah.

Adam:

I'll see you next April.

Martin:

Thanks for that.

Adam:

Take care, bye.

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High Five for Hemp
Exploring the use of industrial hemp around the planet.
Co-hosts, Martin and Adam share their personal journeys and explorations on the use of the Cannabis Sativa plant, e.g., CBD oil, and hemp capsules.

We talk about the different uses of industrial hemp and medical marijuana products becoming more available to mass markets, what is going on with the research and development in this field, the historical cultivation of hemp, new small business opportunities for the future, and having a discourse on the rules and laws regarding the production of industrial hemp, ("crack")pot politics, legalization, etc.

We will also invite guests and experts in the field, to the show. We are also interested in talking with fellow content creators and podcasters, potential partners, and sponsors for the show.
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Martin Lindeskog

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Creator, ✍🏻 Tea Book Sketches. Indie Biz Philosopher ⚛️ & New Media 📲 Advisor, TeaParty.Media. Blogger since 2002 and podcaster🎙since 2006. First podcast: EGO NetCast. Latest podcast: High Five for Hemp. Support 💲My Work and 🗽 Freedom of Expression: https://bio.link/lyceum

Adam Tinkoff

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Hemp advocate and cannabis enthusiast for more than 40 years. Adam lives in San Diego, California and travels often throughout Mexico.